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i know for some of us, dressing is just because we like to dress. for others, its because we feel more attracted to the feminine side of life.

some of us regardless of the above feelings/thoughts only dress part time, others live full time en femme.

for any of us, who are involved with others whether life long lovers, occasional trysts, friends with benefits either other CD, transformed, or genetic male/female, do most of you effect the most feminine mannerisms you can to include how you stand with something in your hands, how you move, how you speak? specifically if you try (either successfully or not) to use a more feminine voice when dealing with others.

i was in a Payless shoe store many years ago. i was fully dressed in a gray wool skirt, purple cowl neck sweater, hose and heels. some of my best applied makeup and wig and accessories. i had told the sales manager, i was just waiting until my movie started and decided to see if they had anything new in stock. she excused herself and i continued looking. a few moments later as i was heading out, i noticed another patron leaving and the manager asked if i had heard what he said. i told her i didnt and she went on to say "He said to me, that lady seems to have a rather deep voice. So i replied to him saying, Maybe but look how pretty she is" she continued with "He said 'yes, she is very pretty'"

i obviously was unaware that my voice was as deep as it is/was, but i did nothing at the time to try any sort of falsetto or changing the inflection or tone as i spoke. i wonder (sort of) now if i were in that situation again, if i would attempt a higher, more feminine voice.

just some VERY early morning musings (even though its much later than when i first thought about it)
 
LeesaMetz said:
i know for some of us, dressing is just because we like to dress. for others, its because we feel more attracted to the feminine side of life.

some of us regardless of the above feelings/thoughts only dress part time, others live full time en femme.

for any of us, who are involved with others whether life long lovers, occasional trysts, friends with benefits either other CD, transformed, or genetic male/female, do most of you effect the most feminine mannerisms you can to include how you stand with something in your hands, how you move, how you speak? specifically if you try (either successfully or not) to use a more feminine voice when dealing with others.

i was in a Payless shoe store many years ago. i was fully dressed in a gray wool skirt, purple cowl neck sweater, hose and heels. some of my best applied makeup and wig and accessories. i had told the sales manager, i was just waiting until my movie started and decided to see if they had anything new in stock. she excused herself and i continued looking. a few moments later as i was heading out, i noticed another patron leaving and the manager asked if i had heard what he said. i told her i didnt and she went on to say "He said to me, that lady seems to have a rather deep voice. So i replied to him saying, Maybe but look how pretty she is" she continued with "He said 'yes, she is very pretty'"

i obviously was unaware that my voice was as deep as it is/was, but i did nothing at the time to try any sort of falsetto or changing the inflection or tone as i spoke. i wonder (sort of) now if i were in that situation again, if i would attempt a higher, more feminine voice.

just some VERY early morning musings (even though its much later than when i first thought about it)
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I have tried the voice thing many times, unsuccessfully.
Seems like my Scottish accent draws attention every time I open my mouth. Just how it is so I don't bother anymore. Sometimes the expression on the store clerk is priceless when an obviously male voice sputters *Debit Please*. Lol
 
My voice is a problem as well. Although i have met women witj much deeper voices eventhough im aware it doesnt bother me as much. Mannerisms are important, how we walk, carry our purse, stand etc.

When your in the washroom check your hair and makeup

I even find that before i meet up with someone i pull out the compact checking everything. Every woman does this.

These things make a difference and help with confidence whrn walking through the mall etc.

Always something to learn to make us better women
 
Voice is very, very difficult to master, specially if you're adjusting it to the situation and not keeping one tone all the time. It is always what can give us away. It takes a lot of practice to be able to switch between male and feminine voice. I try to just change my pitch a little, specially during first encounters, but I seem to quickly revert to a male voice.

My conundrum is that I create a lot of training videos and I also use a narrator voice that's forcibly deeper than my normal male voice. So I have three voices to manage. I'm trying to replace that male narrator voice with a female one. Emphasis on trying. Might have to resort to professional voice training
 
Charlene said:
My voice is a problem as well. Although i have met women witj much deeper voices eventhough im aware it doesnt bother me as much. Mannerisms are important, how we walk, carry our purse, stand etc.

When your in the washroom check your hair and makeup

I even find that before i meet up with someone i pull out the compact checking everything. Every woman does this.

These things make a difference and help with confidence whrn walking through the mall etc.

Always something to learn to make us better women
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I tend to use a slight falsetto voice, but after a very few minutes of talking I seem to revert to my natural pitch, so like April has said I mostly just use my natural voice and if it's bit deeper than expected so be it.

Mannerisms are a different thing and I think that can give you away more than anything. One day a few years ago I was walking through the mall and thinking I was looking nice, like a well dressed soccer Mom or something like that I looked at my reflection (yes, the vain creature I am) in a row of mirrors and was horrified to release how much I walked just like a man! Egads!
So I'm a lot more concious of my movements now

Also, I'm now not so concerned with passing, though I always want to look nice if someone notices I'm not a GG, well there you go, another transwoman out for the afternoon or whatever. So I've started wearing sleeveless dresses and tops at times which makes it pretty obvious what I am. Depends on where I'm going too of course.

You might say I'm evolving from April who likes to go under the radar which I did for ages to Giovanna who dresses to be noticed.
 
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As much as I want to present as cellophane woman (not noticed) in public, who doesn't like someone saying you look nice. With the goal of becoming cellophane and not being noticed....we are very aware of our habits and demeanour. Our look has to be congruent with our actions, mannerisms and tone and lilt of our voice. That all being said, it is a work in progress. The shop window reflection and glance at any mirrors is always part of my habit.

Sometimes, one of my GF's will take a video of my gait. It helps to see oneself. And all the pictures....much can be learned from studying the ones I delete. I see things that tip the scales. And we don't want that do we?

So, hopefully during my little escapades....someone does say "you look nice". It makes your day.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....
 
I would say that my voice changed since I started my transition. It was done naturally just by being me and working toward a softer tone and a different pitch. Also the speed and the way you speak makes a difference in how you pass.

Has for my maneurisum I would say they also have changed but for that part I would say it just came to be.
 
Since childhood, I noticed that I had feminine traits and mannerisms in my body language and my voice. I learned early on that I had to work very hard at hiding these traits as I was exposed to severe teasing in elementary school from other boys and the lesson carried into the next decades of my life.

As many of you know, I am now transitioning. As part of that process, this past February and March, it took 5 sessions of gender affirming voice therapy with a speech therapist to get a female voice that I can work with. Therapy has changed my voice. My confidence and ability has since been growing to a point where I will have phone conversations with ppl, for work or otherwise and I am taken to be female.

For anyone who has concern with their voices, I recommend considering this.

I recorded a video on IG when I was taking voice therapy and I am pasting it below if anyone is interested. I think that I have improved since then and I will be recording other videos at some point soon where I freely speak.

This is a great conversation, thanks for starting it. 🥰

 
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Josie B said:
Since childhood, I noticed that I had feminine traits and mannerisms in my body language and my voice. I learned early on that I had to work very hard at hiding these traits as I was exposed to severe teasing in elementary school from other boys and the lesson carried into the next decades of my life.

As many of you know, I am now transitioning. As part of that process, this past February and March, it took 5 sessions of gender affirming voice therapy with a speech therapist to get a female voice that I can work with. Therapy has changed my voice. My confidence and ability has since been growing to a point where I will have phone conversations with ppl, for work or otherwise and I am taken to be female.

For anyone who has concern with their voices, I recommend considering this.

I recorded a video on IG when I was taking voice therapy and I am pasting it below if anyone is interested. I think that I have improved since then and I will be recording other videos at some point soon where I freely speak.

This is a great conversation, thanks for starting it. 🥰

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Voice therapy has totally worked for you, Josie. Nicely done. I understand the goal is not to use falsetto but to simply pitch your voice higher like you are singing higher notes in your regular voice. I’ve never quite been able to manage it.
 
Josie B said:
Since childhood, I noticed that I had feminine traits and mannerisms in my body language and my voice. I learned early on that I had to work very hard at hiding these traits as I was exposed to severe teasing in elementary school from other boys and the lesson carried into the next decades of my life.

As many of you know, I am now transitioning. As part of that process, this past February and March, it took 5 sessions of gender affirming voice therapy with a speech therapist to get a female voice that I can work with. Therapy has changed my voice. My confidence and ability has since been growing to a point where I will have phone conversations with ppl, for work or otherwise and I am taken to be female.

For anyone who has concern with their voices, I recommend considering this.

I recorded a video on IG when I was taking voice therapy and I am pasting it below if anyone is interested. I think that I have improved since then and I will be recording other videos at some point soon where I freely speak.

This is a great conversation, thanks for starting it. 🥰

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You have the voice of an angel my dear! Matches your inner and outer beauty!!! ❤️ ❤️
 
Frances said:
Voice therapy has totally worked for you, Josie. Nicely done. I understand the goal is not to use falsetto but to simply pitch your voice higher like you are singing higher notes in your regular voice. I’ve never quite been able to manage it.
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Thank you so much, Frances, your comment means a ton! Yes you are right. A higher pitch but also brighter resonance. I tried to find a video for resonance, but I can't find one that explains it the way I learned about it. If I do come across one, I will share with everyone.
 
Josie B said:
Thank you so much, Frances, your comment means a ton! Yes you are right. A higher pitch but also brighter resonance. I tried to find a video for resonance, but I can't find one that explains it the way I learned about it. If I do come across one, I will share with everyone.
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Cool. That makes sense. Is female resonance about head versus chest placement?
 
Frances said:
Cool. That makes sense. Is female resonance about head versus chest placement?
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It's control of the voice box and where your voice is being generated. If you raise your adam's apple (laryngeal prominence) and then speak, your voice gets tight and you sound more like a child, or maybe a light version of Gollum from LotRs. Marry this with the pitch you want and then practice, practice and practice. I use an app called Voice Tools and can record myself and see at what pitch I am chatting at. Anything over 180Hz is feminine. I aim and practice at 220Hz.
 
Josie B said:
It's control of the voice box and where your voice is being generated. If you raise your adam's apple (laryngeal prominence) and then speak, your voice gets tight and you sound more like a child, or maybe a light version of Gollum from LotRs. Marry this with the pitch you want and then practice, practice and practice. I use an app called Voice Tools and can record myself and see at what pitch I am chatting at. Anything over 180Hz is feminine. I aim and practice at 220Hz.
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Interesting. The comparison to Gollum’s voice placement is weirdly useful. Now I want to play with my recording software!
 
Josie B said:
It's control of the voice box and where your voice is being generated. If you raise your adam's apple (laryngeal prominence) and then speak, your voice gets tight and you sound more like a child, or maybe a light version of Gollum from LotRs. Marry this with the pitch you want and then practice, practice and practice. I use an app called Voice Tools and can record myself and see at what pitch I am chatting at. Anything over 180Hz is feminine. I aim and practice at 220Hz.
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That's amazing Josie, thanks for sharing.
 
Hello, ladies. I posting a new video with me speaking this past Sunday and is a few weeks after my speech therapy. I had posted another one a few days ago but I removed it. I find this one more interesting. Anyway, this is me chatting away in what I hope is a feminine voice. Take care, I love you all... ❤️

 
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Josie B said:
Hello, ladies. I posting a new video with me speaking this past Sunday and is a few weeks after my speech therapy. I had posted another one a few days ago but I removed it. I find this one more interesting. Anyway, this is me chatting away in what I hope is a feminine voice. Take care, I love you all... ❤️

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Just lovely 🥰
 
Josie B said:
Hello, ladies. I posting a new video with me speaking this past Sunday and is a few weeks after my speech therapy. I had posted another one a few days ago but I removed it. I find this one more interesting. Anyway, this is me chatting away in what I hope is a feminine voice. Take care, I love you all... ❤️

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Wow!Like I said Josie,the voice of an angel!!! ❤️ ❤️ Beautiful inside and out!!!
 
Dear Josie, Loved your Ottawa canal video! I used to live very close by it on MacLaren in the late 70’s. But even more beautiful is your sweet voice…..and this video has helped me understand a bit more about that. Thank you!
 
Dawn CD said:
Dear Josie, Loved your Ottawa canal video! I used to live very close by it on MacLaren in the late 70’s. But even more beautiful is your sweet voice…..and this video has helped me understand a bit more about that. Thank you!
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Oh my gosh, Dawn. What a nice comment. Thank you. I took five sessions of gender affirming voice therapy. And it helped a lot.
 
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